Good background on Randy eyewitness to HQ upheavals during the late 1970s when Ray Franz was hounded.
Before we had fb and before online ex-jw forums, and before I knew about Crisis of Conscience, Randy's website was the first out-there public 'apostate' I knew (aside from a local apostate woman who put me onto it).
Brief account in first few pages of Tom Cabeen's awakening processes including mention of Carl Olof Jonsson's info and discussion with Ray Franz.
So many in the mid-70s at Bethel woke up. Cabeen said after reading Carl Jonsson's evidence on WT's false chronological techniques he felt sick to his stomach; there was no denying how wrong the org was. Carl Jonsson was a model JW elder and approached the GB without ego or fanfare, he just wanted to help them; yet he was treated like a traitor.
The GB, or at least some of them, must have known they were wrong, and still kept their mouths shut and misled millions. And still do.
Historical firsthand account. If you can't be bothered reading the whole thing scroll down to heading My Story Part 2: Trouble at.. Some unique inside info "In my first 3 three years..... It was a rite of passage.... Through to Skeletons in the Closet heading.
Post by Thehotone4u2 on Sept 1, 2018 14:27:39 GMT -7
"I learned a lot about men and their power games from my time at Bethel. I learned that those who are seeking power will do anything to keep it, even sacrificing their common sense and the friendship of others. They will find ways to justify their actions through theological arguments. One thing should be clear if you study the history of the Watchtower Society: doctrine is irrelevant. It changes all the time, as the Governing Body rewrites their own history and rewrite themselves into the Bible, as if it was written to them and only them. You can study theology until you’re blue in the face. You can know the Bible word for word. But unless you understand how they manipulate it to their own ends, you will remain clueless as to how to counter them. They will laugh at you. If you learn to call their bluff and expose their methodology, they will not challenge you further. Like the Wizard of Oz caught performing behind the curtain, they will pull the fabric of deception back in place. Learn their techniques more than their theology."
I actually spoke with Randy Watters once. I was trying to hunt down a copy of the super secret elder's manual sometime around 2000. I knew several of the people he knew from Bethel. Mark Cent and Rob Tedai, for instance. I had pioneered with them in the early '70's. We all submitted our Bethel applications at the same time. We all got accepted, but I declined. I had met my first wife by then and was on my way to a different life.
He told me that "sometimes" one shows up on ebay, and that I should look in about a week. Sure enough, one showed up for sale for $50. Poised appropriately on a doilie! It came new, postmarked Brooklyn NY! Pfft! Either he knew someone at Bethel who was willing to send one out to a prohibited person, or he convinced someone I was an elder. The former probably.
Randall Watters is one of my apostate heroes. His research and blog were instrumental in introducing the secret apostate movement after Knorr's death to the internet, and exposing the power grab, paranoia, and disfellowshipping of half the Bethel family. It was an evil purge.
My brother and two of my children also did time at Bethel, but they came after Randy had left.
My life turned out to be completely different than I was planning in 1973!
Every day people are straying away from the church and going back to god!-Lenny Bruce (1925-1966)
I remember Randy saying 2 Bethel guys suicided by jumping out of windows at Bethel. Which reminds me, if anyone hasn't read backseatdevil's story I strongly recommend it - free: backseatdevil.com He's a great writer - it's book length, v insightful and v exciting.
Thehotone4u2: Greetings! I hope everyone had a good weekend!
Sept 8, 2019 22:08:24 GMT -7
Thehotone4u2: I'm not in service today. I'm watching football!
Sept 22, 2019 11:09:18 GMT -7
friendlyjokster: I'd like to use a stack of anywhere up to about 50 Watchtower and/or Awake! magazines for a light-hearted silly JW-fun-poking Halloween decoration idea I have. Any edition, any condition, any number, doesn't matter. Can u help me find some cheap? Thanks!
Sept 22, 2019 20:00:18 GMT -7
Shimmerjet: where are you based jokester? Maybe someone near you who can help?
Sept 23, 2019 0:40:00 GMT -7
friendlyjokster: Thanks, Jet. I just sent a letter to Wallkill HQ, I'll see how that goes.
Sept 23, 2019 7:01:22 GMT -7
Shimmerjet: awesome, keep us updated on your project?
Sept 23, 2019 13:14:46 GMT -7
Thehotone4u2: Hey Rush! How are things?
Oct 2, 2019 19:19:59 GMT -7
Arlis Scott: Hello Everyone! Just came back from my trip to Utah. Wish I had been able to go down south and visit Chris and family, but couldn't do it this time. But go a twisted left ankle on the last day I was there, got wheel chair though all airports. Ha ha
Oct 13, 2019 11:47:18 GMT -7
Shimmerjet: hope the ankle is fixed up soon.
Oct 14, 2019 0:57:59 GMT -7
Thehotone4u2: Yikes! That's terrible Arlis! (I think!)
Oct 19, 2019 22:17:16 GMT -7
Rusholme: cheers everyone!
Oct 26, 2019 7:47:03 GMT -7
Shimmerjet: I have met and remet people from present and past lately, all good on all counts, all cult free, all happy, best live ever c
Oct 27, 2019 0:53:41 GMT -7
Thehotone4u2: I am surprised at the number of people I know that used to be JW! Crazy! All happy!
Oct 27, 2019 20:32:45 GMT -7