Post by Thehotone4u2 on Nov 2, 2018 19:36:47 GMT -7
The idea of "marking" someone is from the Apostle Paul:
“We are giving you instructions . . . to withdraw from every brother who is walking disorderly and not according to the tradition that you received from us.” He clarified that statement by writing: “If anyone is not obedient to our word through this letter, keep this one marked and stop associating with him, so that he may become ashamed. And yet do not consider him an enemy, but continue admonishing him as a brother.”—2 Thess. 3:6, 14, 15.
Before I go any further, please note that this scripture looks like what they're using it for, but only out of context. The entire 3rd chapter of Thessalonians deals with brothers who refuse to support their families and are relying on the congregation for financial support. That's it! There not one word about any other transgression. But the society, in all it's divine wisdom, has taken the idea a bit further, of course.
In the "Shepherding the Flock" book, page 125, are the rules for "marking":
"Marking Disorderly Ones
1. At times it may be necessary to mark those
who display a flagrant disregard for theocratic order
though not practicing a grave sin that would result in
judicial action. (w99 7/15 pp. 29-31) This could include
such things as being grossly lazy or critical or
being a profitless talker who is a constant 'meddler
with what does not concern him.' (2 Thess. 3:11) It
may involve one who schemes to take material advantage
of others, indulges in entertainment that is
clearly improper, or dates when not legally or Scripturally
free.—od p. 150-151.
2. If the disorderly conduct is generally unknown
to others and poses no threat to their spiritual wellbeing,
usually it is best to handle things through admonition
and counsel. The elders should not be
hasty In giving a warning talk. However, if the
individual does not see the error of his way but continues
to be an unwholesome influence, a warning
talk may be given to the congregation.—2 Thess. 3:6,
14,15; w99 7/15 pp. 29-31; w§5 4/15 pp. 30-31.
• Example—m a rk for dating a n "unbeliever":
The elders should first counsel and try to
help a disorderly one. If a person persists in a
way that is disturbing and that has the potential
for spreading, they may conclude that there
would be reason for a warning talk to be given
to the congregation.—2 Cor. 6:14; 2 Thess. 3:11,
14; w99 7/15 p. 31.
• It may be that an individual is dating not an actual
'unbeliever' but an unbaptized publisher.
In such cases a warning talk may not be needed,
depending on the circumstances, on the
attitude of the Christian, on the level of disturbance
to the congregation, and other factors.
Nonetheless, if he is dating with a view
to marrying someone who is unbaptized, he is
not obeying the Bible's counsel at 1 Corinthians
7:39 to marry "only in the Lord/' and loving
counsel should be given. Elders will use
reasonableness and discernment in determining
whether a particular situation is sufficiently serious
and disturbing to require a warning talk.
-od pp. 150-151; w04 7/1 pp. 30-31.
3. If the disorderly one becomes ashamed of his
ways and is moved to change, then as elders of the
congregation see the adjustment, they can individually
decide to end the limitation they have put on
personally socializing with him. This will indicate to
the congregation that he is no longer marked."
The "Organized" book has this to say:
10 Occasionally, someone not guilty of practicing a grave sin for which he could be expelled from the congregation shows flagrant disregard for God’s standard that should govern Christians. This could include such things as being extremely lazy, critical, or dirty. He could be “meddling with what does not concern [him].” (2 Thess. 3:11) Or he might be one who schemes to take material advantage of others or indulges in entertainment that is clearly improper. The disorderly conduct is serious enough to reflect badly on the congregation, and it has the potential to spread to other Christians.
11 The elders will first try to help a disorderly person by giving him Bible-based counsel. However, if the individual persists in disregarding Bible principles in spite of repeated admonition, the elders may decide that a warning talk should be given to the congregation. Elders will use discernment in determining whether a particular situation is sufficiently serious and disturbing to others to warrant a warning talk. The speaker will provide appropriate counsel concerning disorderly conduct, but he will not name the disorderly one. Consequently, those who are aware of the situation described in the talk will take care to avoid socializing with such an individual, although they will continue spiritual association, “admonishing him as a brother.”
12 Hopefully, the firm stand taken by faithful members of the congregation will help the disorderly one to become ashamed of his ways and will move him to change. When it is clearly evident that the individual has abandoned his disorderly course, it is no longer necessary to treat him as a marked individual.
1. 2 Thess. 3:11 says, "For we hear that some are walking disorderly among you, not working at all, but meddling with what does not concern them." The not working part is repeated throughout the chapter. The meddling is not.
2. Specific offenses that one could be marked for are truthfully whatever the little voices in the elder's heads tell them. But, at the very least it includes being dirty, lazy, unemployed, dating a worldly person, dating when you're not declared scripturally free by an elder, and taking a brother to court. I've heard marking talks on a variety of other topics as well, but there's no mention of them in the books. Like beastiality, oral or anal sex, covetousness.
3. Marking doesn't come with a requirement for two or more witnesses, and has no appeal rights. The only evidence requirement is that the issue is well known by members of the congregation. It can be slander, doesn't matter.
4. Marking means that the congregation is no longer allowed to socialize with you, but they can say hello if they see you at the meeting. You're not allowed to hold a position in the congregation, participate in activities like quick builds, hauling a microphone or cleaning. You can't give a talk.
5. They don't announce if you've been unmarked. They give that notice via mental telepathy!
I was marked for "taking a brother to court". During the talk, they claimed I was in a conspiracy with my sister to sue a brother. I was attending law school at the time. The fact is that the "suit" was my sister's divorce from her deadbeat husband. I wasn't divorcing her husband. They were reacting to false accusations and slander. When I claimed they had no evidence and no witnesses, they stated, and I quote, "We don't need any evidence. This is a marking. We don't need evidence and you have no right to appeal." Then they refused to back off of their lies or the marking. As a result, I was locked out of my son's wedding, at Bethel, because I "wasn't in good standing". I was furious! PISSED is not a strong enough word.
I graduated from law school shortly after this exchange and sued them for this. When they balked, I said, "What the hell are you going to do about it? Mark me?"
It took several years before I finally managed to get those psychotic egomaniacs to leave me alone!
Anyone have any marking stories? Of all the evil things they do, this has to be one of the worst.
I think that I may have been marked by the org before I left. Most of the “friends” I used this term loosely” stopped speaking to me; I received funny stares when I came to the meetings, as if I was being talked about behind my back. All in all, I got some really strange vibes in the KH! However, based on the marking description received, I hadn’t did any of those things. Well, maybe the elders could sense/ see the changes in me! I stopped answering questions at the meeting, I stopped going out in the ministry and submitting time. I refused multiple shepherding call requests from the elders. They had taken me off the school (I didn”t care for giving talk anyway. During this time, I was already planning my final escape! I had planning to leave well over a year prior to me leaving the org. Maybe, I didn’t disguise my true feelings about the org and their BS well enough! I left the org about 2 years ago and I never received a call from the elders or “friends” within the congregation. Actually, this is a good thing, I didn’t have to explain myself to anyone about my reasons for not attending meetings. The treatment, I received “ was the nail that sealed the coffin! My memories of this organization is all horrible, I wish I never accepted a bible study!!
Thanks for the insight! This is another concern that I can now put to rest!
Last Edit: Nov 2, 2018 21:47:07 GMT -7 by secretsout
Post by Thehotone4u2 on Nov 3, 2018 9:38:48 GMT -7
Yes secretsout, sounds to me as if they marked you.
That's the way to get someone to comply, the beatings will continue until morale improves! I can well imagine that there are a huge number of ex jdubs that ended up that way after being marked over a rumor. In my case, they knew it was false. I was marked for "taking a brother to court" because my sister divorced her husband. I did take a brother to court in the end. I sued them for saying I sued them!
In all their braindead idiocy, they probably then justified the marking by saying I did sue them for saying I sued them!
Every day people are straying away from the church and going back to god!-Lenny Bruce (1925-1966)
Post by Thehotone4u2 on Aug 23, 2019 23:17:57 GMT -7
Bringing this one back up.
Of all the sadistic things they do to people, this is right up there with the worst. Then they put you on probation because now you're branded a spiritually sick and constant reminders that you're a screw up is exactly what the spiritual doctor ordered!
And once they do it, they won't take it back, even if it was all a lie to start with. Ridiculous.
Every day people are straying away from the church and going back to god!-Lenny Bruce (1925-1966)
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