Post by leekyfreeky on Apr 26, 2019 9:35:29 GMT -7
Anyone else worried about climate change?
I am, I used to think climate change/global warming was something future generations would have to worry about, or that it was just the planets natural cycle. But now more n more scientists are standing up to the evidence that we are damaging our planet faster than expected.
I feel powerless to this, I recycle, I am trying to make conscious decisions about what I use and buy, but its governments and large corporations who hold the power to do any radical change.
This year protests were held by school children in the UK to push the government to declare a climate emergency.
I don't know if this is allowed, but I have stumbled upon a search engine that pledges to use its profits to plant trees globally.
Ecosia. I've been using it for a few days now and for me, it does the job. Feel free to research the company and make your mind up about whether its for you. Just thought I'd put it out there for anyone who wants to do their bit. It uses revenue from adverts (google and other search engines do the same) but they put it towards a good cause.
Heres an uplifting story of a couple in Brazil who have planted 2 million trees over 20 years.
Post by Thehotone4u2 on Apr 28, 2019 7:56:49 GMT -7
At the risk of raining on your parade (sorry) I would like to make a rebuttal argument, of sorts. This is just my personal opinion, mind you, but it's based on facts.
First, about the protesters.
There was a CNN coverage of climate change protesters in Derry, Ireland. Apparently thousands of people marched. I know people in Derry, and got the real scoop. It's turning into a bit of a war zone over there about brexit, the border poll, Irish reunification, language rights, etc. Derry is predominantly Catholic. British troops are patrolling the streets and the local IRA guys are back at it, accidentally shooting a journalist who was in a crowd of British soldiers. The climate change "march" was not a march. It was about 20 Americans who flew over and posed for cameras. Then they flew to London and Paris and did the same thing. The flavor of the day was supergluing themselves to trolleys to stop traffic. The "student protests", I don't have inside info on these, but I do remember when I was in high school. Any excuse to get out of school for a day and we jumped on it. I sincerely doubt those protests were organized by the students themselves. They had a little help. They're being spoon fed climate change propaganda, and their teachers are organizing the protests.
Next Climate Change.
There's no doubt in my mind that humans do a lot to destroy and alter the planet. That is tragic, because, well, where else can we go? We're kind of stuck here! The evidence of the ignorance of past generations are all around us if you look. Ireland was forested, for instance. Elk and other game were plentiful in centuries past. By 1800 all the trees were gone and the elk were extinct. The bible mentions the "Cedars of Lebanon". There's virtually no trees at all in Lebanon now. Many other places on earth were likewise abused during human occupation, leading to poor soil quality, changed weather patterns, and pretty much areas incapable of sustaining humans. There have been terrific advances during the last 150 years in farming techniques, fertilizers, food distribution networks, that have made it possible for more and more humans to survive on this planet. We have more people now than ever before! Part of that progress is the use of hydrocarbons. Someone who called himself a scientist in like 1906, declared that fossil fuels would lead to human extinction. His study was debunked and he was silenced in disgrace.
Enter Al Gore and his inconvenient truth. Suddenly the planet is going to hell in a hand basket, the polar ice caps are melting causing mass flooding, and releasing CO2 into the atmosphere. Weather will change causing drought. The average temperature of the earth will raise several degrees causing wild fires and the extinction of wild life. Life would end in 10 years. Those predictions turned out to be false. Obviously! Why? Because his conclusions were wrong. Obviously!
All the weather forecasting has been hijacked and people see signs of global warming everywhere. It was reported that the northern polar ice cap lost 2.4% for instance, and NASA blamed it on global warming. At the same time, however, the north pole moved 50 km toward Siberia and the South Polar cap increased in size. It was July. If the same measurements had been made in January, the South polar cap would have shrank, and the North Polar cap would have enlarged. A before and after picture of coastal cities shows there was no rise in sea level at all. The amount of carbon dioxide in our atmosphere is the same as it was 50,000 years ago. They know this by taking core samples of the ice in Antarctica. What about the release of millions of tons of CO2 if the polar caps melt? The ice contains a complete cross section of the atmosphere when it froze, not just CO2. There are other greenhouse gases present in the atmosphere besides carbon molecules. Nitrous Oxide comes to mind. HFC's.
CO2 is absorbed by plants. That's what they breath. Then they release O2, which we breath. It's a cycle. The vast majority of carbon is in the ground as a result, not the atmosphere. Adding more to the atmosphere could be considered a bad thing if ones forgets that it's not going to stay there. While everyone is up in arms about hydrocarbon fuels and CO2, everyone conveniently forgets that thousands of acres of the Amazon rain forest is cleared every year. This is removing the ability of the earth to handle CO2. Why isn't someone doing something about that? Next, our Earth radiates heat energy. It just doesn't stay on our planet. If it did, the constant refill of heat from the sun would have cooked us long ago.
Next, there have been instances in human history when the weather went to heat increase and decrease. There was a period in the middle ages called the "mini ice age". Harbors all over Europe iced in and rivers that normally ran, froze. It lasted about 10 years. Many people froze to death. Shipments of coal could not be offloaded. Irish reported that a cup of water left across the room from the fireplace would freeze, even with a roaring fire. The large eruption of volcanoes such as Krakatoa have spewed more CO2 into the atmosphere than several hundred years of humans have. Yet it ended with a drop in temperature, not a rise. A merchant ship managed to "sail the northern passage" above Canada. Ever vigilant about map making, the English sent a ship to map out the northern passage, and was promptly iced in. It remained iced in for decades!
The news has fueled hysteria over global warming, but their reports have no factual basis, if you look behind the curtain. In 1976 for instance, California ceased to do control burns, because it adds CO2 to the atmosphere. Everyone was banned from using firewood, same reason. This caused the forests in the Sierra Nevada to overgrow. 300 trees per acre as compared to a normal 100 trees per acres. The state has a drought cycle. Two years of wet weather, and 7 years of dry weather. It's been going on for centuries. The trees began fighting for resources and many died. Now our wild fires are ridiculously large. Several square miles each. That was immediately blamed on global warming! Like a whopping 1 degree rise in 159 years will cause spontaneous combustion! "Unprecedented drought" they blamed on global warming. They finally admitted that it was mismanagement, not global warming. Our rainfall this year was 160% of normal. Thousands of acres of farmland has been abandoned for lack of water, blamed on global warming. All the water is actually going to the ocean to save a small fish that's not endangered! Farmers pay 100% for the water, get 35% of what they paid for. That's a tax, that's not a shortage. Dairies were considered an environmentally friendly enterprise, but not now! Cow farts are bad! (WHAT????) Instead of allowing farmers to compost steer manure, they forced them to turn it into the soil raw. Composting kills bacteria due to the chemical reaction that takes place. It produces Ozone and methane, the ozone reacts with the methane in short order, making CO2, which is absorbed by the plants the manure helps grow. They said nope! Too much ozone, too much methane. (Ozone is 03, oxygen. Apparently oxygen is now bad) The use of raw manure has caused the breakout of some virulent diseases that you wouldn't normally see. Like E-Coli, Cyclosporidian, etc. that would have been gone if the manure had been composted.
I could go on. I am thoroughly convinced at this time that global warming is a hoax. A big giant hoax. I'm sure humans make a dent, but in the grand scheme of things, it's negligible. The powers that be know this to be true. Why do insurance companies continue to insure real estate in coastal communities? Why are all the crying, hysteria and hoopla about this global warming "emergency" only take place in the US and English speaking countries? Economic powerhouses like China, India, Brazil, aren't being included in this, yet those countries are doing far more damage to the environment and greenhouse gasses than any English speaking country. Why? Because to "combat global warming" requires taxation. That's why. Governments are following the money. The yellow vest riots in France started over gas taxes raised to combat global warming.
So I say you have nothing to worry about. That being said, I do think that conservation of our resources is essential for the survival of our species. I just don't believe it's going to cause more heat.
Every day people are straying away from the church and going back to god!-Lenny Bruce (1925-1966)
Post by leekyfreeky on May 10, 2019 14:37:04 GMT -7
You make some good points HotOne, the media does tend to exaggerate crisis for the sake of views with anything.
The protests were started by a 16 year old Girl from Sweden, I havent heard anything about the Irish border BUT the media and others in charge will make every effort to keep that quiet, Brexit in general has gone quiet over here in the media.
While climate change may not be the end of us, I do think that making an effort to look after the planet we live on for ourselves (if the predictions are true) or future generations (using up the Earths resources will eventually cause effects even if they aren't right now) makes sense.
There are projects to re-establish kelp forests off the coast of Tazmania, which would re-establish aquatic life, absorb Co2 and help to de-acidify the oceans! The oceans are becoming more acidic, coral is dying faster than it can grow, and micro plastics are poisonous to plankton which is another Co2 consumer.
Maybe we aren't all heading for becoming a burning fire ball planet, I like to hope that awareness of our consumerism of Earths resources and its limitations, along with our ability to invent new technology to face crisis is what is needed to avoid any CHANCE of becoming a fire ball planet? I'd just rather not take the risk, when the only people who are benefiting from the way things are currently going, are those who are able to harvest and profit from natural resources (oil, coal, forests).
Also China is becoming one of the largest producers/inventers of green technology, so its not just the west who is concerned.
Edit: I'm very aware I'm coming off across as one of those overly zealous green hippy types, I'm not lol, I drive a petrol car and consume as much as the average person, I don't believe restricted personal comfort is necessary, but I do believe in rethinking how things have been to be better for the planet and those on it. I just don't see what damage can be done in the system being rewritten to not overly use up our resources but rather to replace what we use in new innovative ways. Google profits from advert, that money goes to its share holders who earn more than we'll see in a life time, Ecosia (from my basic understanding and light research into it) wants to plant trees. I know who I'd rather use.
Shimmerjet: Wanted..... posters, please we need to liven up this place, we get many visitors but not many posters, why is this? We are a laid back bunch, most veiws welcome, christain, pagan, everyday stuff, all makes for a good convo? take the plunge and post?
Jul 12, 2019 2:39:53 GMT -7
Thehotone4u2: I'm happy to report that I finally got a day off! Yay! Finally got a chance to post a few things. I hope you guys are having a wonderful day today!
Jul 14, 2019 9:58:37 GMT -7
Thehotone4u2: I hope to finally retire sometime at the end of the year.
Jul 14, 2019 18:00:29 GMT -7
Shimmerjet: lol hotone thought you already retired?
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Thehotone4u2: Yea, someone waived money at me so I took one more assignment
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Thehotone4u2: Hello everyone! Good news is I just got a totally awesome computer for half price! Bad news is I crashed my internet! I'm using the WIFI off my phone right now.
Jul 28, 2019 5:21:31 GMT -7
Shimmerjet: hiya hows things
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Rusholme: here everything is good, back to work after the summer vacation, but it feels alright!
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Thehotone4u2: I haven't had a day off in 2 months! Hopefully I'll get some time off starting later this week. I'll start posting again. Sorry guys!
Aug 10, 2019 21:07:20 GMT -7
Shimmerjet: we miss you hotone
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Hungryhippo: Hey!!! how is everyone?? X
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Thehotone4u2: Hey HH! How goes the battle!
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Arlis Scott: Hi guys, I haven't been on for awhile, just thought I would send some greetings to everyone.
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runawaybob: Has any one seen the Face book group setup in new Zealand jws4justice? There is a web page as well jws4justice.co.nz. What do you think
Aug 21, 2019 5:41:10 GMT -7
Shimmerjet: Hi runawaybob, yep I am a member of that group, are you a kiwi? I am too, started my jw journey in Upper Hutt then moved around the lower north island for a few years trying to fade,
Aug 21, 2019 12:40:24 GMT -7
Shimmerjet: Hi HH Hotone and Arlis hope you all doing ok x
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